There is light at the end of the tunnel....

[tomasingm]

I want to share with you my story to let some of the you know that there is light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how dark it may get. When I was a child I suffered from Asthma and was a bit of a chubby kid, never really ugly just the guy that the girls did not like nor was I the popular or cool kid. As a result I grew up having a low self esteem and was very shy. In high school I met my friend's sister. (I thought she was beautiful) She was the younges tof 3 kids so she was somewhat spoiled. I had never ever in my life had any one give me the time of say so naturally I was easily swept away by her flirtatious advances. We start dating and I am head over heels in love with her. After high school we move in together, being that we have it tough financially I (against my family's wishes) Drop out of college to maintain an income so that the bills get paid. The plan was for me to put her through school, when she finished and got a job, then it would be my turn to go and we would live happily ever after. For many miserable years I worked at a job I hated for us (or should I say her) I put her through school and she graduated top class. One day she tells me that she is going to have a baby. I was excited and scared. I was going to be a dad!!! I was excited, most of you reading this probably know what direction this is going. I was nervous and swore that I would go back to work and forget about school, after all our's babies nees come first. Well time goes on and I get an anonymous email, that this baby "was not mine" and that the person told me was a friend of my girlfriend (at this point was my fiance, because after all I want to have a family for my child and this is the women of my dreams, my souldmate of course I want to spend the rest of my life with her.) Who allegedly felt really bad for what was going to happen to me. It truns out that the father of her child was a man 20 plus years her senior. He was also a parent of a mutual friend of ours that owned several local dealers in the area. I went through the stages I was hurt, I was, sad, and I was enraged. I had all this things I was going to do as pay back I had them planned down to the last deal. ONe was to tell his wife in front of him, his kids and his grandchildren at a function. (he was running for the local counsel) as a way to disgfrace him. Her I was going to tell all her relatives. (her family is very conservative christan, only on the outside, but appearances to them are averything.) So I waited until the day, by this time I had already moved out, and left her the apartment, had the mananger change it in to her name. My mother and grandmother sat down to talk to me. THey essentiually advised me to walk away, and I did. From her my plan everything. I went back to the apartment manager and prepaid four months of rent for her ( I would later find out that was the last rent ever paid.) I moved away to go back to school, to another city meet new friends, start a new life. I finally finished school. I started working with some really great people and was able to network fairly well, I moved back to my home town and started a small Financial Services firm. All the while my cousins (who is 3 years older than me) was a personal trainer and made it is mission to help me go from the chubby guy to the lean muscualar latin sex symbol. I don't consider myself successful, or intelligent just lucky that some really good people gave me the oppurtunity to work with them, business took off. I worked 12 to 16 hour work days, Fast forward a few years, I am now the owner of a successful insurance financial services agency I own my own home own 2 luxury sedans. (free and clear) Provide jobs for my community and have done fairly well. I saw "her" and her little boy a few months I ran in to them by accident at the local Gottschalks. She is now pregnat with baby number 2 that makes 2 kids, 2 daddy's, no husbands. Single mother she moves from apartment to her parents house every couple of months. As for Mr. Old guy taht took the pleasure of porking my girlfriend, well he had a stroke or seizure not sure which one is the one that makes your face droop down, do he older sophisticated sex appeal is out the window, his wife of God know how many years is still by his side. (that is a real woman.) What I have found is this, western men like my self, become good providers, yet western women have deteriorated in quality as well as morals as generations come. By advise to all men on this site is NOT ever get married. If you knock her up, it is 1 child support check thats all. If you marry her it is child support + alimony + everything else. American and Western women make good fuc.k dolls (the ones that arent fat already) and girl friends that is it, but are terrible wives and even worse mother's. Now that I am alot more grown up I run into women who make passes at me, married and single, and it is this reason I alone that has deterred me from wanting to marry an American woman, this and this site. All of my friends are married and a few observations I have made. American women have a sense of entitlement, men provide the home the luxry SUV, the everything, women dont do crap so useless. Marry a foreign women, eastern european preferrable and make sure you have a prenup.

[Saintas]

You have right, you know?
I wanted to say in this site but was afraid for protest's (one guy thid say something here), western woman and especialy american women (not all , of corse) are going crazy. I don't know , but I think is your society litlle Ill (or mayebe more).
America is a great country but you know, somethings wrong, you know: "absolute power corroupe" but I think also "absolute liberty" corupe too. There are man and women who don't have suficient civilization "inside" only outside .Yeah, american's man are good providers , and yeah more american woman only suck out the financial resurses from theirs hubby(desgusting) and "F..k the population" around the house.
And yeah you have right when say eastern woman are much better then american woman .Those plus qualitys from eastern women comes form traditions keept from centuries , but situation is moving(unfortunately in wrong direction).
I don't say here are only angels (god no!) but the report is (yeat ) favorably for eastern women( I think there are good women from east Asia too).
I whas litlle time in USA and i can truly say that Eastern Europeans are more beautiful too than Woman's from State .And guess? make good home food with their hands .

[tomasingm]

WHat has happened to American women is the feminist movement. Which is perfectly okay. What happened was the idealogy of women being good stay at home wives and men working was seen as degrading or "old-fashioned." So as a result you have women sho refuse to do anything IN or OUT of the house and have more than enough time tog et themselves into trouble. They are housewives with no housework. Or work jobs that are not needed just to get out of teh house. People don't value family or a marriage any more. Wester men are working harder and harder. The American way of life is very expensive, it is a very consumer driven way of life and as a result men are having to work very hard to proved there self-entitled women a Luxurious way of life. So this is what i say, DO NOT MARRY western women. Many women from other parts of the world are amazed at how spoiled American women are and how they dont value themselves, their men, their family or children. It is quite sad.....Check this out.....

http://www.nomarriage.com/articleasia.html

http://www.exile.ru/vault/feature/feature9.html

http://www.nomarriage.com/fd.html

[littlered]

You two slam ALL American women because you've met a few rats. Good for you that you walked away from a bad woman and that you got your self esteem and your life back together. But when you talk about American women, you're talking about ME. I make a living and I make a great home for my family, too. I have two terrific kids; My daughter is married and has a great job, and my son is in his third year of college. So don't you DARE slam me as a mother. As far as being a good wife, I'm not perfect, but I damn sure try to be the best person I can be. On my menu tonight: Beef stroganoff with egg noodles, broccoli with butter sauce, and orange marmalade pastry glazed with Grand Marnier sugar glaze. All made by my own two hands. YEAH I'M A COOK:cool:
But then, I don't walk ten paces behind my man, I speak my mind, and I'm no slave, so I guess an American woman wouldn't be good enough for you two.
No I didn't have my ***** flakes for breakfast this morning, but I'd be glad to toast somebody else's Cheerios. Any other women on this board wanna take them on?

[tomasingm]

For my next question??......Did your husband cheat on you??? OR did you cheat on him?..... If he cheated on you that it is him who has disgraced his family and your children. Or was it you that cheated??........WHen you cheat on your spouse and you have children you dishonor and disgrace your children, who wants to have a scoundrel for a father??? or a ***** as a mother???? No one....And either way you still hurt your children..... When spouse takes back a cheater whether it is YOU or YOUR husband (i say either because I do not know) they hurt their children by showing weakness and setting a pathetic example. When a partner tolerates and forgives a cheating spouse your child grows up thinking that it is okay and will tolerate a person who does not respect him and her. So please dont kid yourself, when you have children and spouses you have a family, and as a mother or father your obligation is your family if you fail that then you are worthless and I have no sympathy for any one. If your husband cheated on you, do you have a daughter??? See daddy going out on mommy and her taking him back,,,,,when she gets married???......DO you have a son???. have you cheate don your spouse???......What kind of man will he grow up to be if he sees daddy tolerating mommy's infidelity, weak people.

[confused]

Okay..thats a lie...

Your lips are moving...and i tuned out.

I tried reading this post......because of what "littlered" said. Obviously us American Women are being slammed?

So i tried to read it AGAIN...and just can't. Got to "when i was a child and had asthma and low self esteem"...

and got BORED and fell asleep again.

Sorry.

[tomasingm]

Basically it says that men like me are worshipped by American BBW bar-hoppin single mom divorcees, and use the barbie gold diggers for **** dolls. To sum it up......

[markus]

Times are changing - women used to say 'men are all bastards'
now its us doing it

Times are changing :mad:

[littlered]

You'll find my history out if you read my posts. AND I AM NOT "WEAK" FOR MAKING MY MARRIAGE WORK!! Walking away would be the lazy thing to do. As for my daughter and son, they're both grown and living their lives. (re read my earlier post, you MORON) I think you're a pathetic inbred cretin and you'll die a lonely shriveled up old man.

[tomasingm]

It was not my intention to offend you and If I have insulted you I want to apologize, there are still some very good women out there. And after reading some of your posts (that I hadnt done before) I see that you are not a rat but a vicitm of a rat. As a mother of your children I wish you luck in dealing with this rat, but from my advice is this. Do not allow your cheating spouse to get away with this. It is for your children that you do NOT tolerate it so that your children do not grow up weak and not allowing themselves to be disgraced. I do not toelrate infidelity from men or women, I grew up and saw what acheating souse (women) and men can do to a family. Take care and good luck........

[Saintas]

I, personaly don't judge anywone, I just wounder What's hapend with this world going crazzy .
I say clearly not all !! womens.
And I wounder about women because I"m man and I know much about man's .
So ,Littlered, why this "rats" are more and more?
And I speake aboute those womans don't abused at home, not neglected by husband's , with a nice home and don't drug, don't drink.

[confused]

A couple "jaded men" in the world....

Guess you're entitled.

Feel how you wanna feel about women....

because now you are OBVIOUSLY turning homosexual right?

I mean.....if i dated men...and ALL MEN were the same......then i would no longer have relationships with them and turn lesbian.

So i'm assuming the same to be true with you all.

At least the men you now date will listen...and 'feel ya' bruthah! *hitting chest like an ape*

[littlered]

Society's not perfect. It never will be. But people have always cheated. Even back in Biblical times. It has to do with integrity. Either you have it or you do not. If you have it, you don't violate what is dear to you. If you don't have it, nothing is important to you, except your own needs/wants/desires.

However, I do believe that people with integrity still make mistakes. We are not perfect. If you make a mistake and learn from it, you're a better human being. That's what mistakes are for. Some people, however, NEVER learn from the things they do.

I don't think people are any worse than they used to be. I do think that with the coming of both spouses working, more social contacts, less social barriers (back in my mother's time, a woman wouldn't even THINK of going out to a bar by herself!) and with new technology (the Internet, the cellphone, air flight a common thing) the opportunities for people to be "rats" have increased. NOT TO SAY that I think things were necessarily "better" in past days...just that it's more available.

Human nature is human nature. It's just easier than ever to cheat these days. UNLESS you have integrity. Then you'd never cheat. (hopefully)

[littlered]

:D A couple "jaded men" in the world....

Guess you're entitled.

Feel how you wanna feel about women....

because now you are OBVIOUSLY turning homosexual right?

I mean.....if i dated men...and ALL MEN were the same......then i would no longer have relationships with them and turn lesbian.

So i'm assuming the same to be true with you all.

At least the men you now date will listen...and 'feel ya' bruthah! *hitting chest like an ape*
Too funny!!! rofl

[tomasingm]

You are truly confused, wow, the fact that I have expectations and standards for myself does not make me a homo. I feel for alot of this people who are betrayed, on this site. They put so much of themselves into some oen that does not value them, in my opinion they do not deserve them. That is all, and many women like Crissy and other ***** one here dont deserve a good man. They deserve the 47 year old frat guy leased car 3 series BMW with the silk shirt what walks around talking into his bluetooth. To litterly (hope I spelled that right, I was wrong) I am sorry I offended you, you seem like a good woman. The real hoes like crissy and that other delusional **** my comments stand.

[confused]

To call "Confused" CONFUSED.....well....makes a bit of sense there.

Nah...i'm not confused......

I still honestly haven't read your very long winded story. When you take me back to your childhood first to get me to the Here and NOw.....well...i get bored. CUT TO THE CHASE is my logo. And i live by it. So maybe one day i will be bored...and i'll read your story...

until that time..what i HAVE gotten from this entire thread.....is women bashing.
And to that? I still stand on the same issue....that you need to date men from this point forward.

Grandioso that you call crissy a hoe....(and what does that make you? a CATCH? give me a break. a "true" man such as yourself....would have a little more couthe in his approach) BUT NONE THELESS....i'm glad you have compassion for those here who are hurting and have put so much into their relationships just to get it shoved back in their face.

I will now meander around the site...LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT and posts on these threads....where you are attempting to help them as well. BOTH women and men.

[tomasingm]

:D I am not a total ass.hole......... And yes I do consider myself a catch, call me arrogant, if you will. As far as the way I referred to the other woman, admit it, I just said, what your were thinking.......;)

[confused]

I don't call people *****s.

Seriously...

I mean...i DO HOWEVER speak my mind. And if someone is bull****ting me...or trying to pussyfoot around an issue...i'll call their bluff......and if i think they're wrong......and attempting to make others feel sorry for them or whatever...yeah....i'll make them take ownership.

But nah...you didn't say anything that i would say. There are certain words I just don't use to describe people...that's all.

The "C" word is one...the "N" word is another.....and ***** etc.

HOWEVER...if my man put his penis in some *****? YES...that ***** would be a ***** *laffin*

anyhow......go to this link......i'm sure you'll like it.

http://www.flashfunpages.com/couple.swf

~~~~~~~

P.S. you're entitled to believe you're a catch. But when you have to SELF PROMOTE that fact....normally you aren't. OTHERS need to promote it for you. But again..since we're on the internet.....being anonymous and all....thats sorta tough to do.

So...why then...if you are able to be a catch....can't a woman be a catch as well? Why must you categorize us and act as tho we are all the same...."arm candy" sort of crap.

[tomasingm]

There is a point in your life where the good ones (or catches) are already taken. Also (not to self promote myself) but unfortunately I have been fortunate in many ways but it is now a double edged sword. Many women never ever would even dream of giving me the time of day a few years ago now make advances an passes at me in functions on a daily basis. Which makes me wonder if they are into me for the right reasons. Its amazing what weight loss and financial stability can do for you. You go from zero to hero real fast. So the fact of the matter is that I devote alot of my time to my work and family. I can't say I don't like the shallow attention I get because then I would be lying, but going out with superficial shallow agressive women gets old. I don't know maybe I intimidate the women who aren't as agressive or outgoing. I see there are alot of wonderful women who get caught up with real ass.holes, and also recognize that there are some guys who are married to some real skanks. The way I see it is cheating spouses both men and women are predators. They are predators because they always do it to people who give so much of themselves and put themselves so much into a relationship for it. So i have no sympathy for a broad or a jerk that fails his/her family for a good time, or a feeling of self-entitlement. Marriage is not easy, holding a family is not easy it is hard work and sacrifice. If you can't hang in there for your family and spouse you have no business getting married................

[confused]

FINALLY...you say something that is worth listening too *applauding REAL loud like*

Jeezus......maybe you are an "okay" guy. Because quite honestly...i was not believing so in the past. And quite frankly...i aint sold yet.....but this last paragraph gained you some brownie points.

YOU BET YOUR ASS weight loss and financial stability will do something for attraction. are you kidding me? *laffin*

*thinkin to self* YEAH..i've ALWAYS wanted to "get to know" the fat ass standing there eating dorito's in the unemployment line...OR the one who works...and lives in the double wide across town.

DUH!

And "yes" you are probably intimidating.....i know i was when i was single. VERY FEW MEN can handle a woman who earns more than he. A woman who has a "life" without him.......it's almost as if a guy NEEDS that vulnerable little girl who needs to be "taken care of".

I agree that it must get old for a guy to date the "superficial shallow agressive women"....
and I can tell you it definately gets old dating the "egotistical macho needy" men.

FAMILY is tough. MARRIAGE AND LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS are hard work. So god bless all those who work on theirs EVEN AFTER adversity.

[elainegayla]

I think things got screwed up in the 60's.

Women used to be able to stay home and raise children and be good wives. That took time and all her effort.

Men used to be able to support their families on one income.

Now its all screwed up because women went into the work force.

Now men feel like that don't have to support their families on their own and the wives are required to earn money too. (I had more then one man reject me in college as wife material b/c I said my goal was to be a stay- at- home housewife and mother. They acted like they would be getting the short end of the stick. They couldn't run away fast enough. )

When a woman works, this allows less time for the children and husbands. Then the husbands ***** because the wives don't have time/energy to make homecook meals and give daily BJs.

When we do work, we are still required to do all the other stuff men EXPECT.

Do these Eastern women work outside the home? I do cook homemade meals and I can tell you I have to start HOURS before 5:30 when a working women gets home from work. My home is beautifully cared for and my kids are well-behaved and smart. Do you think I can do that all after 5:30 in the evening? You guys just expect too much.


I know when I got married my husband and I agreed I'd work until we had kids (I made great money and was promoted often, actually made MORE money then my husband). After the kids we agreed on the timing of me giving up my job. He said he understood the importance of me being a full-time mother. All according to the AGREED plan.

Now my husband says that one of the reasons he cheated etc was because he couldn't handle the PRESSURE of supporting a family by himself. He resented that I quit and gave up that money.

And while I'm at it, why do modern people (men especially, sorry) feel nothing is required of them after 5:30 except relaxation?

Both spouses/parents need to "work" at least til the kids get to bed. My "work" as a stay at home mom doesn't end at 5:30. My husbands shouldn't either.

People are just so soft. They want the perfect luxury life, perfect kids, perfect house, perfect meals, perfect everything but they think they can obtain that by sitting on their asses after 5:30.

Its never been that way, ever! Look at the history of mankind!

OKAY... LET ME HAVE IT!

[tomasingm]

Stay at home work is harder than 9-5 work. I understand that, managing a household, cooking, cleaning taking care of the children is definately hard work. Where have you been all my life??????...... A woman that values working in the home and her family is a keeper it has nothing to do with being a macho sexist pig. I totally respect you Miss (or Mrs.) and women like you in this day in age are truly gems, it is unfortunate that your husband didnt value you. Wish you the best, take care. As far as cheating on you becuase of the stress of bringing home the income. (I've heard better)

PS If and when I do get married there will be no Internet @ home. PERIOD. Seems to attract more trouble than good these days.

[elainegayla]

One of the things that has been bothering me...what to tell my daughters?

I was raised to go to college, educate myself, get work experience and basically be able to be on my own should the circumstances dictate that.

I also was raised by a stay-at-home mother and felt I wanted to give to my kids and husband what my mom gave to us. Family was EVERYTHING in my home growing up. My parents put family first.

I'm sure my parents thought they were raising me to handle anything.

So I went to college, got a job, saved every dime, worked my arse off rehabing a house (made good good money doing that.) My to-be hubby by my side.

After we got married and had kids I threw myself into the role of wife/mother and LOVED IT.

Then my hubby pulled his crap. Now I CAN support myself if we divorce. But I'm still feeling stuck because I think my kids deserve and require two parents at home. If I leave him, they will lose not only him (okay, I know every other weekend) but they lose me too. I'll have to work and won't be able to be there for them all the time. After 5:30 (when I get home from work) I won't be able to provide them homecook meals, hear about their day, drive them to their functions, be there to cheer them on, get the house clean, laundry done, help them with homework, read to them, the shopping (clothes, grocies etc). And be sane.

I think it takes TWO to raise a family. And for this, I have to accept that I might get a disease from my hubby, I have to accept that my children might learn from him how things work. My daughters are gonna see I accepted this crap and think its okay!!! My son will think his future wife should just "deal with it".

The independent "American women" in me says "stuff it". The mother in me has to think about her children. Its like you give up your rights when you become a mother.

How do I raise my kids to avoid this whole mess?

[elainegayla]

Thanks for the kind words. I needed them.

And to be fair, my husband NOW says he wasn't thinking right. But he also says he still "struggles with his sex addiction". So I still have to accept I could be exposed sometime in the future to some nasty disease or being left high and dry should he fall for some bimbo...and of course, I'll be to blame b/c I now know the risks I'm taking in order to keep my family together.

Most American men do not appreciate my kind of woman. We need to raise our children (especially our sons) that they are never gonna get that perfect working, mother, wife. She doesn't exist. Its not possible. Life is about compromise for men and women.

Women need to understand that they can't and shouldn't have to be everything to everyone. Thats all the feminist movement did to us. More choices means just that. CHOICES. It doesn't mean HAVE IT ALL. Now women just have more responsibility than anyone can handle.

I'm so depressed. Pass the Xantax! LOL

[SuckerFree]

You have right, you know?
I wanted to say in this site but was afraid for protest's (one guy thid say something here), western woman and especialy american women (not all , of corse) are going crazy. I don't know , but I think is your society litlle Ill (or mayebe more).
America is a great country but you know, somethings wrong, you know: "absolute power corroupe" but I think also "absolute liberty" corupe too. There are man and women who don't have suficient civilization "inside" only outside .Yeah, american's man are good providers , and yeah more american woman only suck out the financial resurses from theirs hubby(desgusting) and "F..k the population" around the house.
And yeah you have right when say eastern woman are much better then american woman .Those plus qualitys from eastern women comes form traditions keept from centuries , but situation is moving(unfortunately in wrong direction).
I don't say here are only angels (god no!) but the report is (yeat ) favorably for eastern women( I think there are good women from east Asia too).
I whas litlle time in USA and i can truly say that Eastern Europeans are more beautiful too than Woman's from State .And guess? make good home food with their hands .


Did anyone else feel like they just took a quaalude and slammed a 6 pack after reading this?

[confused]

Wow. I LOVED your post.

You just put into a paragraph so "beautifully" what is SO TRUE of today's world.

I am unfortunately put into the "cliche" of the WORKING WOMAN.

I had a business....was very successful....did the traveling, career thing into my mid 30's.

I then met my boyfriend...fell in love....and FORCED MYSELF to slow down a bit. NEVER looked at myself as the type who could EVER depend on a man solely for my bread & butter. Continued running my business.....dating my man...and all was good.

Got pregnant.

and BLAM.

what the hell? Something just "clicked inside" and my "mommy" thoughts started...

anyhow.....short story shorter. I've been a "stay at home" since. and boy...lemme tell you...i have a NEWFOUND RESPECT for ALL MOTHERS who stay at home...because...as you had mentioned....it is NOT a 9 to 5...it is a 6am to 9pm...AND (when they're young especially) many evening calls as well.

I thru myself into my stay at home mentality. and i too LOVED IT. i never thought i would...but i simply LOVED IT. My home is a castle. My child is well behaved and SMART and a joy for others to be around. All that jazz.

Do you know however....that my friends almost were in SHOCK at my decision to sell my business and stay home with my child? They were like "YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT"?

My boyfriend? Well...lets say that he "acted" happy about it.....but since that time has externally expressed his jealousy over the fact that I AM ABLE to stay home. He has said things such as "Yeah...well..i wish "I" could not go to work"....(as if somehow raising a child and looking after the house AND STILL FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING MYSELF {yes from the sale of my business and saved money} is not WORK).

So guess what.

I'm going back to work.

It's what life says i should be doing. I dont' want to. But in all honesty? My boyfriend can't support our family alone. Aint no way no how. And the saved money i had that supported us for 3 years? I dont want it to dwindle into nothingness in case a tragedy happens or something....you should ALWAYS have a nest egg of a MINIMUM of 6 months overhead.

Anyhow..i just say to you "bravo". It is a "modern world" today...where a woman MUST go to work..AND be the best mom and lover/wife/girlfriend at home. we must be perfect.

I crave the days of my mother & grandmother...and i sometimes fear the world my child will be living in in 10 more years.

[SuckerFree]

After reading that. I know see why you call yourself confused.

[confused]

But you also now know whether i'm a guy or gal.

[SuckerFree]

I think things got screwed up in the 60's................1963 to be exact. .

[SuckerFree]

Stay at home work is harder than 9-5 work.....It is?

[littlered]

A stay at home mom works the hours roughly equivalent of 2 full time jobs. And if she's doing it right (keeping the house clesn/running all the errrands/raising the kids, etc) believe you me, it's hard WORK. I wonder why employed moms and stay at home moms are always pitted against each other. Nobody can or should try to do it all, but these days it takes two incomes to make it.

[Saintas]

[QUOTE=elainegayla]

Do these Eastern women work outside the home? I do cook homemade meals and I can tell you I have to start HOURS before 5:30 when a working women gets home from work. My home is beautifully cared for and my kids are well-behaved and smart. Do you think I can do that all after 5:30 in the evening? You guys just expect too much.


Yes these Eastern Women have jobs . We don't earn much . And look for the kids too . But the man work at jobs and help at home their wifes too .
And yes , you could if you must:) to work outside and than com home to your children and wash dishes make some meal make clean and than put your children in bed , make love with your H.
When your man helps you , of corse . A partnership is needed in to one marriage to work .

[Saintas]

Did anyone else feel like they just took a quaalude and slammed a 6 pack after reading this?
I don,t drink .NEVER .
Do you?

[elainegayla]

Studies show that 70% of American men are unfaithful during their marriage.

Studies show that 30-40% of American women are unfaithful.


A hate when this forum ends up bashing women.

Thanks guys, but I've been bashed enough from my own husband. I have beat myself up for so long and am just learning to not blame myself. I feel plenty bad about myself as it is.

Do you guys need to do that on this forum?

[toamsingm]

Alot of the times some of us guys are hurt and bitter and havent been able to get past the feeling of anger and betrayal so alot of venting goes on. Don't feel bashed just see it as collateral damage of the consequences of it. I hope you and your husband can work things out, and build onto something bigger and better whether together or divorced. Just see this as a reflection of the anger and hurt. There is a thin line between love and hate. If some one gets mad and lashes out at you because of the infidelity it is because they are hurt and angry, which means THEY CARE. If they don't it probably means they dont give a crap, and dont love and it dosent phase them. Being and angry and passionate is the revers side of love. Because if you are angered with passion, that means you are also capable of loving with passion. It is not intended to beat up women, just spill out all of the emotions, thoughts, and feelings that are felt. Elaine dont feel bad, just think that most of these posts can represent an emotion your husband may have felt. Good Luck and take care Elaine...........

[toamsingm]

Where you posted on barely learning not to blame your self, you ARE DEAD WRONG. If you cheated YOU ARE TO BLAME. We as people are responsible for our actions and being responsibile is holding yourself accountable. YOu did it, you weren't raped or forced at gun point. Dont try to overcome any mental obstacles to convince yourself otherwise. Accept reponsibility, Accept what you did. IF YOU CANT FORGIVE YOUR SELF HOW DO YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO..........Accept what you did, and move on. You will live, we as people can forgive, Love can conquer all. I hope for you the best.

[elainegayla]

read my posts. My hubby cheated 10 years. And like all people that get cheated on, we blame ourselves. The women on this site probably all blame themselves at least at one point or another. We don't need to be bashed on top of all the self-blame. Our confidence has is shattered and then we go on here for support and then see how we deserve it b/c we are "American women" that are lazy, self-centered, greedy etc.

I held my family together for 10 years by myself. I am standing by my husband b/c I value my family first. If I was the selfish, bad mother you guys keep calling me I would have been long gone. I have to give up my self-respect and all my values to stay here and try my best to hold this family together while my husband has done everything possible to destroy it. I'm not perfect. I've made mistakes in the last two years. I have done a terrible job of recovery from the hurt my husband has inflicted but I don't deserve to be lumped into some stupid label "American women".

All I'm saying is...lets call the CHEATERS selfish etc. Not just women. A lot more American men cheat then American women so if your anti-American, then say that.

[Tawnee1969]

Hiya,

I have read this board for a while now and there was something about this thread that I needed to reply to.

What about us Mums that HAVE to work? Where the father has died and is not there to support the family?

I do not get home from work until 6pm and my kids still get a home cooked dinner, help with homework AND cuddle time. I do most of the housework when they are asleep and I am extremely organised.

Alot of my friends are stay-at-home Mum's (as I was when they were very little) and I know I appreciate my time with my kids alot more. My friends dream of holidays child-free, I make sure that I take mine with me and I enjoy every second with them.

I don't think stay-at home-mums have it easier, however MY job doesn't end at 5.30 the same as theirs doesn't. We all have to nurse sick kids, go to parent teacher stuff etc etc.

And p.s. my kids are kind, loving, funny, intelligent people too. They have been given awards at school and my 17 yr old son has a part time job, still at school and only gives me normal amount of crap that any teenager does to show he's normal!!! Not all single parent working mum's raise ferals.

I really HATE to feel that any mother making a choice or through neccessity is made to feel guilty for either staying at home and not contributing finacially or going to work and neglecting her kids!! We are all mothers and we all want the same thing!!! Happy kids! And may we all be blessed with that!

[Saintas]

Elainegayla,
First of All in this post was nothing about you .Mayebe you putt yourself in your mind as a target here .
It was about one man pain caused about one particular woman who now see
the end of this tunnel of pain and desilusions .
Second , I and speak for myself , I was not talking about womans and man who have Ill relations with lot of abuse and addicted to sex (those are the case for psichologists studies .
I'm glad that you put this statistic here-In Romania statitics show that 25% of man and 17% of womans cheatin durring their marriages . Don't ring any bels here ? Why there are diferences so big between countries? And one of my wonders whas that .Why ?Both for man and woman ?
And in this statics you must to understand the fact that:
Mans always whant to appear more viril and always tell they have more extramarital relations ! and Womans always lies and minimalize the number of extra affairs they have . Specialists in statistics warning us all the time when they make such statics .
Yes, the femisim , like misoginism are extreme movement .
I don't see anywhere here that womans are the evil on earth and the mans are only angels , thats not true .
And the true is that are whomans and mans who cheating their spouses without any real motive . We aree al subiective here and tell us I don't make any mistake ,I give my partner all he/she needs , Why ?
The true is anybody make mistakes and we always can give more to our partners , and sometimes we can demand more from them .Sometimes give more are not enough .
To undertand Why? is the first step to heal . To share your pain and talk about whit others it's another . I see here cases that are conciliable and have a future and also i see dead relations and monster of egoism and cold blood, insensitive and almost irealistic for some of us also called "people" who make mankind to wonder :what's happend with this world ".

[Saintas]

Hiya,

I have read this board for a while now and there was something about this thread that I needed to reply to.

What about us Mums that HAVE to work? Where the father has died and is not there to support the family?

I do not get home from work until 6pm and my kids still get a home cooked dinner, help with homework AND cuddle time. I do most of the housework when they are asleep and I am extremely organised.

Alot of my friends are stay-at-home Mum's (as I was when they were very little) and I know I appreciate my time with my kids alot more. My friends dream of holidays child-free, I make sure that I take mine with me and I enjoy every second with them.

I don't think stay-at home-mums have it easier, however MY job doesn't end at 5.30 the same as theirs doesn't. We all have to nurse sick kids, go to parent teacher stuff etc etc.

And p.s. my kids are kind, loving, funny, intelligent people too. They have been given awards at school and my 17 yr old son has a part time job, still at school and only gives me normal amount of crap that any teenager does to show he's normal!!! Not all single parent working mum's raise ferals.

I really HATE to feel that any mother making a choice or through neccessity is made to feel guilty for either staying at home and not contributing finacially or going to work and neglecting her kids!! We are all mothers and we all want the same thing!!! Happy kids! And may we all be blessed with that!
It wass just an answer to one question. If is not your case why you seem so touch ?
You represent all the woman ? All the woman's are like you ?
No . I don't say woman are the evil and mans are angels . God save , no \\\\\\\\\\!
It wass only a response to one posts .Here seems that all we have answers and all we have right .
If everithing is damn right what we all spend time here?
Look statics putt here by eleingayla and what I putt also here and thats the facts . And it's time to wonder and to put questions .
For bouth man and woman :)

[prex]

When my wife was away getting screwed by her dope dealer, I decided I'd head up to the local monastery, and see if God would give me a sign about what to do. To make a long story short, the monk assigned to me was an accomplished scholar and musician. We discussed why their numbers are dwindling, monks that is. He said, "look around, brother, 60% of the kids coming to our school, (Benedictine, Atchison Kansas) come from homes where the parents couldn't stayed commited to each other. Do you think they can become commited to God, for life?" And so i thought I had my answer. When I told my wife about it, she said" We weren't married in the church"

Her birthday was recent, and she asked, if only for this day, I would NOT remind her of the awful thing that she had done, be nice etc. I told her, how about for your Birthday, you svck me and all my friends dycks? You'll be so engaged with the next penis you won't have time to think of what a whoar you are!

Its just so pathetic when they ask for special treatment after causing so much misery, that the only explananations could be 1-they simply don't have the brainpower to get their minds around the havoc they've caused or 2-they have the brainpower to know the devestation they cause, but don't care, or they enjoy the devastation, the desolate life of lies and deception.

Its funny how it looks like they're having so much fun, but in reality, people like this are so into themselves, the world around them and other people barely exist, to the point they think only they exist, like the last man after a nuclear war. Except here the nuclear war is the blast of their egos and selfish meglomaniacal lifestyles.

[MuffinMan]

A stay at home mom works the hours roughly equivalent of 2 full time jobs. And if she's doing it right (keeping the house clesn/running all the errrands/raising the kids, etc) believe you me, it's hard WORK. I wonder why employed moms and stay at home moms are always pitted against each other. Nobody can or should try to do it all, but these days it takes two incomes to make it.

Then you have the wives that don't do sh!t when they stay at home. I came home from a rough day and I DID THE DISHES, I PICKED THE HOUSE UP, I ENDED UP DOING THE LAUNDRY.

Needless to say, she wasn't living up to her end of the bargain, imagine that from a cheater, so she now has a job and the money from job goes into an account for paying bills, it is not her mad money.

And I have been the stay at home dad on vacation when my wife left with her mom for a week. I'll trade anyday. Being home with my kids and keeping a clean house and a tight ship was the best. So I don't wanna hear all that crap.

[Lady_rose58]

I have done both, while my kids were growing up, I was a stay at home mom. I did all the house work, yard work, cooking, laundry! I don't mind it, I had all day to do my chores, plus take care of the kids!

But now that I have a full time job, kids are grown! I still do it all, except the yard work. IT is hard sometimes! DH now says its the woman job to take care of the inside , washing laundry, housework. cooking etc etc.. I think it should be equal chores!! Hell I love to just mow the grass once every two weeks and then sit on my a$$ after work every day! Go play golf on sunday!! WEEEE I be in heaven.....

[Tomgirl]

I agree with MuffinMan, it's only hard work if the stay at home mom is doing more than just sitting with the kids. One of my neighbors is very lazy. The kids are not kept up and the house is a mess. She doesn't get dressed or do anything with herself and Dinner? What's that I always see the Dominos pizza guy. Now, I still don't think my neighbors husband has the right to cheat because no one does, but I'm sure temptation is hard for him. I try not to get in there business but maybe I should refer her to this site. Now that I wrote this I just realized that she may be depressed because of him.

As for tawnlee's comment, I think you took the previous poster wrong when she said a stay at home mom's day never ends and a working person's ends at 5:30p. I think they were talking to the husbands that come home plop their feet up and don't help out. I am a victim of a cheating husband but I stay for the kids and his help. I'll admit I love being a stay at home mom and if I left him that would not be possible. He is also great with helping out. He works all day and still contributes when he get's home. He understands that I've had them all day so when he walks in the door he takes over. Plus he is happy to see them because he's been gone all day. Then on weekends he cooks and we entertain the kids together.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it takes two. There is nothing wrong with a working mom. If that works for you than great. I just think it's best for kids to see both parents sharing duties whether one stays at home or they both work.

And back to the original issue about American women. All people have issues. Some women in other countries may be morally minded but that's because they have no freedom to choose otherwise. But it still doesn't mean they don't sin in their minds. Bottom line, no woman on this earth is perfect.

[Skirtchaser]

hey my advice on American women????
try you out a long legged Texas Woman.
One of them was my salvation!!!!
None like them.

Mine cured me of my "Chasing"

[Tawnee1969]

Aussie women aren't bad either!!!! LOL

[SuckerFree]

Studies show that 70% of American men are unfaithful during their marriage.

Studies show that 30-40% of American women are unfaithful.


A hate when this forum ends up bashing women.

Thanks guys, but I've been bashed enough from my own husband. I have beat myself up for so long and am just learning to not blame myself. I feel plenty bad about myself as it is.

Do you guys need to do that on this forum?

Please show me your sources to this one? Last research I saw was done at Harvard in the now famous "lie detector test" which showed Women having more affairs then men.

[SuckerFree]

A stay at home mom works the hours roughly equivalent of 2 full time jobs. And if she's doing it right (keeping the house clesn/running all the errrands/raising the kids, etc) believe you me, it's hard WORK. I wonder why employed moms and stay at home moms are always pitted against each other. Nobody can or should try to do it all, but these days it takes two incomes to make it.

Raising kids last 30 years? What about Bachelors like me? I mean I do my laundry, all my cooking, cleaning...etc. I also work 55 hours a week. Am I doing the job of 3 people now? Stay at home mom's have it easy. Not the first few years mind you. But once the brats hit head-start it gets much easier. It only takes two incomes to make it now because the feminist insisted on destroying marriage and sending women out in the work-force in droves to do non hazardous, non high paying, non skilled jobs. This is why some Box with nails in it in Boston cost 500k now.

[SuckerFree]

This thread has grown cumbersome. However if any Women out there wished to support me in exchange for a decade of child rearing, dishes, and laundry. And maybe another decade or so of upkeep (minus anything physical, mechanical, or dangerous) I am available. Come on Ladies! I don't mean to be so disagreeable, and I really like all the regular women posters in here, but give me a friggin break. Stop with this constant overworked, whoa is me mentality. Have any of you ever been to a third world nation and seen their women digging ditches? Not pretty. Look at how high daytime TV ratings are? Their is a reason for that, and advertisers know it. Women have tons of time all day to get these menial task completed. Trust me, those 8 million daily Oprah viewers ain't Male construction workers. Good God ladies, wake already and stop eating this daily spoonful of poop known as feminist propaganda. Don't you get it, don't you see? Feminist are that way for one of two reasons. #1. They are ugly and men never paid them attention (when's the last attractive feminist you saw? and please don't say Ashley Judd, that was a publicity stunt). Or #2. They are Lesbians (the real kind, not the College experimental kind) and view Men as competetion and an unnecessary obstacle to a constant stream of women. If you show a Man some respect, love, and affection, they will break their back for you, and die 10 years younger than you content.

[tomasingm]

Suckerfree you seriously have to look into writing or something, you have inprired me. :)

[SuckerFree]

You guys are making me blush.

[Skirtchaser]

Da.mn Lil Red, You said that just like a true blue Texas Woman.
God Bless Texas, as long as it still is ours.:)

[littlered]

Then you have the wives that don't do sh!t when they stay at home. I came home from a rough day and I DID THE DISHES, I PICKED THE HOUSE UP, I ENDED UP DOING THE LAUNDRY.

Needless to say, she wasn't living up to her end of the bargain, imagine that from a cheater, so she now has a job and the money from job goes into an account for paying bills, it is not her mad money.

And I have been the stay at home dad on vacation when my wife left with her mom for a week. I'll trade anyday. Being home with my kids and keeping a clean house and a tight ship was the best. So I don't wanna hear all that crap.
Hey, you are a great man, then. I salute you. Many men feel like this work is somehow "beneath" them..you are obviously not that kind of man.

I did both. I stayed at home when the kids were smalll (except my 2nd, I went to work a week after having him because my ex was our of a job and the bills had to be paid. I cried every day after dropping him off, but it had to be done.) Anyhow, I did both, went back to full time working when they got into school. Neither was "easy", but nobody ever promised "easy" so I didn't expect it. I will say, though, that I worked harder at home than I ever did at work. I say again, if a stay at home mom is really doing it RIGHT, she's working harder than you could ever expect to pay her.

[littlered]

Da.mn Lil Red, You said that just like a true blue Texas Woman.
God Bless Texas, as long as it still is ours.:)
yep, I am a true blue, redheaded Texas woman. Irish to the bone, too. I can and have fed a family of three on $50.00 a month. ...and we ate WELL! No prepared or take-out. It's part of what helped me learn to be the cook I am, though i spend much more money these days on groceries! (yes, I did the budgeting too.) It's how I was raised. I never leave a room empty handed (always something to pick up/put back) My house isn't perfect, but I would never be embarrassed to have someone stop by unnannounced...hell, I'd feed em, too. I can't work full time now (and I miss it) but I do make some money with my writing(boook #2 is almost done, and damn I think it's great.) but the VERY best part of my day is when my husbad walks through that door! You'd best believe I've got my makeup on, hair fixed and a drink in my hand. I intend to be the best wife a man could ever have. It may not stop him from cheating (I hope he'll stop himself, and after some hellish counseling, I think it will.) but it's the kind of wife I want to be. Go ahead, bash me and cll me a Stepford or whatever. I say hooray to women who do both....and hooray to women who choose one OR the other--but do it the RIGHT way.

[Skirtchaser]

(lil red) wow a poster woman.
Guys I am not kidding this one is a keeper.
I know I got me a red headed long legged Texas woman. Cream of the crop.
You go Lil Red. My kinda people. :)

[Skirtchaser]

And to the other posters, your eastern women dont hold a candle to our American Women, Especially the Texas one's. God's greatest creation. :cool:

[SuckerFree]

I lived in Texas for 4 years....It sucks.

[Skirtchaser]

each to his own sucker, I wouldnt live anywhere else. Frankly I'm appalled.
I expected more than that from you sucker. :cool:

[crissy]

I'm a Texan woman also. Lil Red you are a very strong and interresting woman. There was only myself and a younger brother, but my mother was the oldest Daughter of 23 children. She is a strong woman also, I look up to her. She practically raised all of her siblings. My grandma is still alive today, she takes care of her youngest child who is 41 now, he was born with Downs. She had all 23 children, two husbands. She burried the first one after he had a heart attack at 48. What type of books do you write?

[SuckerFree]

FINALLY...you say something that is worth listening too *applauding REAL loud like*

Jeezus......maybe you are an "okay" guy. Because quite honestly...i was not believing so in the past. And quite frankly...i aint sold yet.....but this last paragraph gained you some brownie points.

YOU BET YOUR ASS weight loss and financial stability will do something for attraction. are you kidding me? *laffin*

*thinkin to self* YEAH..i've ALWAYS wanted to "get to know" the fat ass standing there eating dorito's in the unemployment line...OR the one who works...and lives in the double wide across town.

DUH!




And "yes" you are probably intimidating.....i know i was when i was single. VERY FEW MEN can handle a woman who earns more than he. A woman who has a "life" without him.......it's almost as if a guy NEEDS that vulnerable little girl who needs to be "taken care of".

I agree that it must get old for a guy to date the "superficial shallow agressive women"....
and I can tell you it definately gets old dating the "egotistical macho needy" men.

FAMILY is tough. MARRIAGE AND LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS are hard work. So god bless all those who work on theirs EVEN AFTER adversity.

Ahh Jesus Confused, put a sock in it already, ok, pussycat. Everytime you comment on female-bashing you ironically turn to male-bashing. My God your more bitter than any of us combined. And for once, could you please do something different in your retorts other than the straw man argument you use over and over again.

[SuckerFree]

One of the things that has been bothering me...what to tell my daughters?

I was raised to go to college, educate myself, get work experience and basically be able to be on my own should the circumstances dictate that.

I also was raised by a stay-at-home mother and felt I wanted to give to my kids and husband what my mom gave to us. Family was EVERYTHING in my home growing up. My parents put family first.

I'm sure my parents thought they were raising me to handle anything.

So I went to college, got a job, saved every dime, worked my arse off rehabing a house (made good good money doing that.) My to-be hubby by my side.

After we got married and had kids I threw myself into the role of wife/mother and LOVED IT.

Then my hubby pulled his crap. Now I CAN support myself if we divorce. But I'm still feeling stuck because I think my kids deserve and require two parents at home. If I leave him, they will lose not only him (okay, I know every other weekend) but they lose me too. I'll have to work and won't be able to be there for them all the time. After 5:30 (when I get home from work) I won't be able to provide them homecook meals, hear about their day, drive them to their functions, be there to cheer them on, get the house clean, laundry done, help them with homework, read to them, the shopping (clothes, grocies etc). And be sane.

I think it takes TWO to raise a family. And for this, I have to accept that I might get a disease from my hubby, I have to accept that my children might learn from him how things work. My daughters are gonna see I accepted this crap and think its okay!!! My son will think his future wife should just "deal with it".

The independent "American women" in me says "stuff it". The mother in me has to think about her children. Its like you give up your rights when you become a mother.

How do I raise my kids to avoid this whole mess?

Teach your children of the dangers of feminism. Teach your Son to be an honorable, honest man. Teach your daughter to be feminine, and supportive. Stress real world education (not public school forced indoctrination, such as gay day). Teach your Son that should he start a family he must fulfill his duty and provide to his last day on this planet. Teach your daughter to never be ashamed of her choices, especially if that choice is to become a housewife.

[SuckerFree]

Knowing Confused, I would say their is a 100% chance she will retort again. So in hopes of avoiding being bored to the crust of suicide I will include this. You cannot expect a board that has people crushed by infidelity to not have a misogynist, or misandristic rant in it from time to time. Tomasingm certainly lacks tact, as do I and Markus from time to time. However, nothing makes me cringe more than Confused constant straw-man arguments. Crissy does it a lot to, but no one like Confused.

CC: Suckerfree
Suckerfree: yes class
CC: what is a straw-man argument?

A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Its name is derived from the practice of using straw men in combat training. In such training, a scarecrow is made in the image of the enemy with the single intent of attacking it. [1] It is occasionally called a straw dog fallacy [2] or a scarecrow argument.

Perfect example: Tomasingm talks about his preference for eastern European Women and how they relate to American Women. He states they have more femininity, and are more attractive (Editors note: He's right)

Confused retort: She sidesteps this by bringing up Men who are afraid of women who earn more (Editors note: This is a defense mechanism created by career women who can't find dates, men could care less how much you make, the more the better). Confused has now cleverly built-up a man made of straw and continues to smash him with rants that include...Fat-Ass, intimidating, only wants a pushover, double-wide trailer. All the while avoiding the real topic of how Eastern European Women are superior to American Women.

Confused, please stop doing this?

[Skirtchaser]

tomasigmn may get his post a little confused, but he has feelings Sucker, He tries real hard here to help people. I don't agree with him about the eastern women, I do not bash him over his belief. I know you are trying to teach the grasshopper, but he will learn if he ever gets him a real live Texas Woman. I'm not offended by your Remarks about Texas. You simply didnt fit in. Most Yankee's don't. I do not hold that against you. It is odd that someone of your intelligence level is NOT a Texan. Yes it is true that George Bush is giving it back to Mexico step by step. I don't count on Hillary to save it for us. My next question is where are you arizona and california peeps going when they get yours?:) Back to New York? Oh well
Be kind to grasshopper tomas, he is trying.:cool:

[MuffinMan]

Hey, you are a great man, then. I salute you. Many men feel like this work is somehow "beneath" them..you are obviously not that kind of man.

Well I am not THAT deserving of praise, but thanks anyway. I just can't stand walking through my house with junk and toys all over the place.

I am a much happier, calmer person when I come home and can walk through my house without breaking my ankle.

[MuffinMan]

yep, I am a true blue, redheaded Texas woman. Irish to the bone, too.

"and Texas is a place, I'd really love to be......but alllllllll my ex's live in Texas....thats why I hang my hat in Tennessee."

Ah good old George.

[SuckerFree]

[QUOTE]tomasigmn may get his post a little confused, but he has feelings Sucker, When did I attack Tomisignm?
I don't agree with him about the eastern women You have never been there, that's why.

I do not bash him over his belief. I know you are trying to teach the grasshopper, but he will learn if he ever gets him a real live Texas Woman

Then again maybe he won't. To compare the two, especially to a person like me who has been in both places is laughable.

I'm not offended by your Remarks about Texas. You simply didnt fit in.
Not liking people's arrorgant attitudes, heavy traffic, is not fitting in? And yes, you are offended. Most Yankee's don't
If you have ever read the definition of the word Yankee, you would see that Texans fit it perfectly.

It is odd that someone of your intelligence level is NOT a Texan. This is beyond arrogant and stupid Yes it is true that George Bush is giving it back to Mexico step by step. Mexican immigrants weren't a problem before Bush?
I don't count on Hillary to save it for us Ahhh yes, that's right. Liberals wanna do something about immigration, because after all, we know illegals only vote Conservative. :rolleyes:
My next question is where are you arizona and california peeps going when they get yours?:) Back to New York? You wouldn't be a Texan if you didn't mention NYC. Man, Texans love to take a dig at NYC any chance they get. It sounds like inferority complex if you ask me.

[Skirtchaser]

then I am sorry you feel that way sucker. I held a little esteem for you til now. Kiss My Texas a.ss. You don't know so much after all. I regret I ever read your post. :cool:

[SuckerFree]

then I am sorry you feel that way sucker. I held a little esteem for you til now. Kiss My Texas a.ss. You don't know so much after all. I regret I ever read your post. :cool:

I'm devastated.

[Skirtchaser]

just as you should be. :cool:

[SuckerFree]

Lame. For a guy who regrets reading my post. You sure seem to do it often.

[Skirtchaser]

Only because it's in the way. I would not miss a chance to respond to you yankee.

[Skirtchaser]

This has got to be the ultimate site of free speech. My hat is off to the Mod. :)

[SuckerFree]

I hope you don't think you are one-upping me. You have been completely owned this whole thread.

[Skirtchaser]

In your mind, I guess that would be the way you would view it. :)

[littlered]

The first book I wrote was sci-fi. It's an "ok" book for a first effort, but didn't sell well. This new one is totally different genre. Historical fiction, but not in that goofy "romantic novel" way....it's tough and gritty and sad and funny. It's about a girl growing up in the Dust Bowl during the Depression. Unlike "Grapes of Wrath", these people own their farm, and they stay and keep it. They are poor, but the nobility of their humanity and their toughness is the underlying theme of the book. I doubt if it will be the Great American Novel, but I do know it's going to be a damn good read.

[tillymint]

lol at littlered !

You've totally ignored the b*tching and given the most intelligent response in this whole sad thread - hats off to you :)

till x

[markus]

I'd like to write a book but its not easy when you can just about string a post together on a forum :D

[SuckerFree]

The first book I wrote was sci-fi. It's an "ok" book for a first effort, but didn't sell well. This new one is totally different genre. Historical fiction, but not in that goofy "romantic novel" way....it's tough and gritty and sad and funny. It's about a girl growing up in the Dust Bowl during the Depression. Unlike "Grapes of Wrath", these people own their farm, and they stay and keep it. They are poor, but the nobility of their humanity and their toughness is the underlying theme of the book. I doubt if it will be the Great American Novel, but I do know it's going to be a damn good read.



Zzzzzzzzzzz

[littlered]

someone asked me a question about what I write, and I answered it. Ok, so the book I am writing isn't your cup of tea (or brand of beer) but did you have to be insulting?
I have enjoyed your posts in the past. When you get into it with someone, I either laugh or just don't post if I don't want to get involved. But I have considered you a friend on here. I would like to continue thinking of you as such.
"Feelings...
Suckerfree hurt my....feelings.
nothing more than...feelings
here on this boooooaaaaaard....
Feeeeeeeeeeelings...
whoa, whoa, whoa
Feeeeeeeeelings..."
;)

[tillymint]

Little red.. Ditto.. If that song was a duet, Id join in with you lol !

[SuckerFree]

someone asked me a question about what I write, and I answered it. Ok, so the book I am writing isn't your cup of tea (or brand of beer) but did you have to be insulting?
I have enjoyed your posts in the past. When you get into it with someone, I either laugh or just don't post if I don't want to get involved. But I have considered you a friend on here. I would like to continue thinking of you as such.
"Feelings...
Suckerfree hurt my....feelings.
nothing more than...feelings
here on this boooooaaaaaard....
Feeeeeeeeeeelings...
whoa, whoa, whoa
Feeeeeeeeelings..."
;)

Lighten up Little Red. It's just that is sounds like a snoozer to me. I would write a book that would sell. Like something about Lesbians, or Jews in a positive light. That would sell in a heartbeat.

[littlered]

how about a book on cheating Jewish lesbians then? :D

[SuckerFree]

how about a book on cheating Jewish lesbians then? :D


I got it, A retarded slave meets a Jewish Lesbian who just escaped from a Concentration camp. Damn, they would be lining up to Publish that one.

[SuckerFree]

Little red.. Ditto.. If that song was a duet, Id join in with you lol !


Ohhh GIRRRRLLL power

[SuckerFree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ow2ZZWNYNY

[tillymint]

sure is... it would be belted out, sung standing on a chair with a bottle in one hand, along with "I will survive." :)

[littlered]

Suckerfree, you just watch out or we'll sneak up into that treehouse fort of yours and set off cherry bombs! (I almost burned down the garage when I did this to my brothers....whooooooo did I ever get a spanking)

[SuckerFree]

Suckerfree, you just watch out or we'll sneak up into that treehouse fort of yours and set off cherry bombs! (I almost burned down the garage when I did this to my brothers....whooooooo did I ever get a spanking)

As soon as I put away my comic books in the plastics sheaths and put my Dad's Playboys back under his bed...it's on.