Jeff Crowell

[BrokenHearted]

Time heals all wounds

[Explodeintored]

So sorry to hear about your situation. I hope things get better for you.

If it was me personally, I'd call the cops on the both of them since paying for sex is illegal too.

Just my two cents.

[markus]

Now I wonder how true that was as well. His daughter is beautiful. I never understood how he could turn his back on something so precious as her.
It just seems like two different people. Does that make sense?

Circumstances dont make a man .. they reveal him

[markus]

All the love talk is motivated by guilt after the meeting with the hooker - in his mind what he does with them is totally seperate to your relationship , its physical with no emotional attachments and he believed it would be harmless & wouldn't get caught - but he is busted now and the bull**** is getting ready to flow
He will be saying things like ' i think i have a sex addiction '
'it meant nothing ' etc etc
He will put the ball back in your court and wait for a reaction - hoping that you go into help mode ... help him cure his sex addiction
feel sorry for him and seek help
If you do then he will be sitting back with the big raised eyebrow thinking he's off the hook
All he has to do now is play along with it for a few weeks , sit in a therapists office and show you he's changed with his usuall love talk
Eventually you will both learn to live with whats happened and he will be thinking next time im not going to be so stupid .... next time i knock the back end out of a hooker im going to make sure i dont get caught

You can forget what you see and hear on the surface of this man ... selfishness is written all over him
your unconscious knows that or you wouldn't be wondering how he walked out on his daughter
Throw all your previous beliefs out the window , like ' he loved me so much that he had to leave his ex wife / daughter '
or 'he was in an unhappy relationship ' and repalce them with reality like:
He's was the problem in his previous relationship' and he's the reason it failed just like ours is now '
**** him off and move forward with your life , your gonna have to get over the pain of betrayal anyway so why not add him to the list of things you need to get over so you dont have to go through it all again with him in the future !

[elainegayla]

Brokenhearted,

I have lived your life. I have had the same EXACT situation. I addressed Sex addiction on many locations on this site. Look at my older posts under Cheating Husbands. There was a lady like us and I told her what she can expect etc. She never posted back. I think she's still crying.

I'm not saying you need to give up on your boyfriend. I am saying you are in for a lot of heart ache if you stay and marry him. My husband hid everything very well (he was doing things before we were married...not prostitutes...phone sex). I just wish I had the truth (like you have) and had the opportunity to walk away before I had three kids and 15 years invested.

Its not your fault. Hell, the shrinks don't even blame the addict. But faultless or not, you will be the one bearing all the pain and suffering. Feel sorry for him, cry your eyes out, offer to help him, but do not expect things to ever change.

Read some books, join the COSA (co-dependents of Sex Addicts) on yahoo. You need to see what we live through as a wife of a sex addict. You need to see how sad and pathetic they are and how as good women we allow them to ruin our lives because we feel bad for them or because we have children or b/c we believe in our vows.

THey all have a reason (my hubby had a nightmare childhood...by the way...I just learned that after 15 years... ) but in the end, who cares. My kids could have been born with AIDS. If you won't protect yourself from this man, at least think about not having children with him. Because like he didn't care enough about your health to stop, he won't care enough abough his unborn children either.

Feel free to PM me. I can help you.

I'm so sorry. I really am.

[markus]

Marcus,
Thank you again. I dont know who you are, but your words are helping more than you know.

Im captain Markus, the internets first automated lie detecting machine ( suckerfree was made second)
... From the cradle to the grave everyone seems to be telling untruths... your mum, dad, friends...to politicians, girlfriends, wives, work collegues and so forth...

Were here to reveal them :D

[elainegayla]

Marcus and Suckerfree...you guys are so right all the time. Cynics or realists?

I've been wondering why people lie so much. My parents, friends etc. I know they aren't lieing intentionally but its like there is the huge group-think, group-denial, group-brainwashing thing going on.

I remember when I started down this road...
First revelation - $20,000 past due SECRET debt
my parents - its only money, no big deal
ME:what about the SECRETS? Shouldn't I know where that money went and why he HID it from me?)
my friends - well, he makes good money

Second revelation - had ONE affair
my parents - at least he isn't leaving and he loves you (ME:HUH?)
my friends - be glad he wants to stay

Third Revelation - Alcoholism
my parents - his father is cold, no wonder
my friends - my husband drinks

Fourth Revelation - Drugs
my parents - same as #3
my friends - same as #3

Fifth Revelation - Many affairs, one-night stands, since the DAY WE GOT
MARRIED
My parennts - at least he makes money, is a GOOD DAD (WHAT? A DRUGGIE, ALCOHOLOC is a GOOD DAD?)

Sixth Revelation - Prostitutes, phone sex, computer sex
My parents - Well duh

I mean, I kept waiting to hear, "Honey, that sucks. He is not a good person. If you want to leave him, we will support you. No one should have to take that. What about our sweet grandchildren. We are concerned for them."

Instead I got ((you are NOT gonna believe this)) DAD:"You made babies with this man. It was your decision. You have to stay. If you leave, you are a BAD MOTHER!!!!!" MOM: "Well, didn't you stop ironing his clothes six months ago?"

Its like I'm not worth ****. Oh, yeah, I was upset with him because he wasn't doing crap (I was cutting grass and all the yard work , raising the kids alone while he freaking slept) so I decided I couldn't DO IT ALL and refused to iron his mile long pants for about two weeks. Sure thats a retroactive offense to the day we got married. He knew I would pull that BIG SIN in year 11, so he started screwing *****s retroactively!! How dare I send him off to the peep show with WRINKLED PANTS!

My Dad even paid off his drug/sex debt for him.

God, no wonder I'm so screwed up.

Sorry for rambling, venting...What is up with the world? Anyone else lost faith in humanity?

[littlered]

Maybe the things we go through with these losers sharpens up our "A$$HOLE RADAR"...my antenna has gotten so sensitive now. I used to feel like I wore a sign, "If you are a loser, liar, and love to degrade women, please date me."
No more, no more.
And, for the record, I too believe that Markus and Suckerfree ROCK!!

[elainegayla]

Yes, my hubby says the same thing. "I didn't think you loved me"
"I didn't think I was enough" bla bla blah.

Its definitely a confidence, lack of self-esteem thing but only they can fix that because it comes from inside. They are a bottomless pit of neediness. Don't think you will be enough to fill him.

I too wonder about what a ugly, diseased hooker could provide that I couldn't...he says nothing... but I can't stop thinking the worst...S&M, bondage, I don't know much about deviant sex but my imagination can run to some really scarey places on this.

THat reason alone ruined sex with him for life. Uck!


















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[littlered]

You are well shut of this slimy creep. A RealDoll....guh-ROSS!!! Hang in there. Maybe use some masking time to tape the realdoll to his back bumper in the middle of the night or something. LOL, sorry, I know all this must be horrible. Ugh.

[markus]

That cop gives good advice , he should be on here :D

And there were times in bed when he would grab me by the neck and physically hurt me until I made a painful sound.
God... maybe that is what he wanted from her. Maybe he likes to hurt women emotionally AND physically

Freak

[elainegayla]

Do you live in Parma Ohio?

Also, $300 a pop? Is that the going rate? No wonder my hubby built up $20,000 in debt.

I've never actually seen a hooker (except on TV) but I saw pictures of the "stripper" he had for his bachelor party and it makes me want to gag.

If you are sensitive...skip the next part....

The only girl I have actually seen that my hubby was doing was this huge, ugly, bleach blond with three inch black roots... I mean she tipped the scale at WAY over 250 pounds and she lived near the railroad tracks....in this little shack...with her 500 pound hubby...let me tell ya...she has never seen let alone been in a hair salon... :eek:

Anyway, The first thing I did on the way home was buy a dozen chocolate donuts...I was like ..."****, I've been starving for nothing!".

When I got home I told my husband I knew what our problem was "I have a princess p*ssy and you like DIRTY p*ssy!" I laughed so hard. I actually felt great for days...I mean GREAT.

I love to remind him that I can't compete with DIRTY P*ssy. He gets so mad and embaressed. :D

For Markus (or was it Suckerfree ?)- I can understand wanting chocolate, vanilla, strawberry...but Dirty!

Sorry for being gross.

[exhausted]

Whats the website?

[markus]

Yeah lets have a look at the ***** :cool:

[markus]

No wonder the cops are paying a visit :D

[exhausted]

So funny how the men wanted to see her! ;) Anyway, that is her.

Just wanted to see the picture.. It's not like I'm going to call her unless she travels...J/K!!

[exhausted]

Great. Thanks guys.

You can't fault her.. She is doing a service to people that are willing to pay for it..


I need to get caught up on this thread to make more sense of what is going on..

[markus]

I dont think she will take any blame , All she's bothered about is her cocaine money

[SuckerFree]

Im captain Markus, the internets first automated lie detecting machine ( suckerfree was made second)
... From the cradle to the grave everyone seems to be telling untruths... your mum, dad, friends...to politicians, girlfriends, wives, work collegues and so forth...

Were here to reveal them :D


You know every since I was a kid (and i don't mean to get corny here) I had this fixation with the truth. I have studied lies, the truth in people for many years. Not to say I don't lie, I do. But I have learned that the truth just sounds different. It just feels different when you hear it. I see so many people in this world getting took by untruths. Religion, politics, advertising, it's endless. Once you seek the truth long enough, you will begin to pluck it out of the air instantly.

[SuckerFree]

I dont think she will take any blame , All she's bothered about is her cocaine money

Did somebody say cocaine......:D

[SuckerFree]

When I got home I told my husband I knew what our problem was "I have a princess p*ssy and you like DIRTY p*ssy!" ....................Great line

[SuckerFree]

For Markus (or was it Suckerfree ?)- I can understand wanting chocolate, vanilla, strawberry...but Dirty!...................This is known as a Neopolitan at the Bunny Ranch outside of Vegas. It cost me 600.00. I highly recommend it.

[SuckerFree]

Is your name Aubrey, or is that the town you live in? Beautiful song by Bread called Aubrey. If I had a Daughter I would name her that. Anyway....this Woman is an escort. A pretty pricey one at that. Wow, 300.00 and he's a regular. The Cops will care less, they probably do business with her. As far as her being hurt, please. If a person makes a decision to sleep with strangers for cash imagine how little guilt they feel when their wives/girlfriends discover it. Just chalk it up. What's he gonna do. Drop half his paycheck every week forever? Try not to be hurt over this. People show their true colors everyday.

[markus]

Did somebody say cocaine......

Which reminds me , I havn't treated myself to a good snort of that stuff in ages

Wheres leyroyyyyyyyy

[markus]

Ive sent you a pm

[SuckerFree]

Don't be upset little one. Your man fell for a hooker. Is there anything more pathetic than a man who falls in love with a stripper/hooker? I had a friend do that. Lost his house, cashed in his 401k, now he lives with momma. Suckerfree tried to tell him, but it was too late.

[SuckerFree]

Ohhh and you are so hurt because it ended on his terms, not yours. A year later you would have probably dumped the guy.

[SuckerFree]

Hey no problem. Just remember friends tell you want you wanna hear. Come back and visit us next year when the cycle repeats itself.

[SuckerFree]

Gee...how ever insightful. Anyway, apparently this site WAS a bad idea. Friends are better....and I have plenty looking out for me now. Thanks anyway for the start of this thread 2 days ago....in the beginning it helped anyway..................Oh my what on Earth would ever make a man run off to another women when you got this Princess on deck:rolleyes:

[littlered]

you want people who'll tell you what you WANNA hear, or people who'll tell you the unvarnished TRUTH???? Go hangin out on the beach with your friends who will give you solace. Come back HERE when you want to figure out what's REALLY going on. We're not vicious people (well, MOST of us aren't ;) ) but we do tell the truth.

[markus]

Take it easy on her - she already knows the truth ;)

[confused]

You know?

I've been watching lately....and i haven't said anything.....however on one thread i DID ATTEMPT to bring the topic back around since it had gotten so far off track (and yes Markus, you went ahead and posted AGAIN taking it back off track).

I think you guys' are beginning now to be rude to the people who come here...and if all you want to do is call names, and tell people they're weak, or take the thread to a different level than it was intended.....go find another forum.

Don't get me wrong. The MAJORITY of your posts are humorous, and they can inspire a laugh from people who really have had nothing to laugh about in some time.....HOWEVER....it's time's like this thread? That i get mad.

There was absolutely no need to be telling Brokenhearted that she's pissed because her man left her on HIS terms rather than hers. Is she now the bad guy?
Are you f**king kidding me?

HOW RUDE CAN YOU BE?!!!!!!

WHAT THE HELL BROUGHT YOU GUYS HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOUR FRIGGIN HAPPINESS? I could give a sh*t if you can come here...dish it out..AND take it. Because quite honestly? Some people AREN'T IN THE MOOD for the ****.

They want to talk.

They want advice.

If they choose to listen...great....if they would rather not....nodda problem. But let's stop the crap already!

There are a few people on this site that deserve some sh*t.....and you know what? NOBODY'S GIVIN IT TO THEM. But they are pickin on the little one's. I have to sort of laugh. Because....normally in real life at the playground...the one's who pick on the little one's are the scrawny ass geeks who have no friends.

[markus]

Who rattled your cage ? :D

I have an inbox full of messages from members thanking me for support and strength to help them make the right decisions
Some of my posts are aimed to cheer people up, some to advise people to seek the truth rather than go with what makes them feel better and some are to give basic advice
None are malicious

[confused]

To be rude you don't have to be malicious....

you can simply be a smart ass.

Don't take it so personal....YOU call people names.....so big DEAL if i say YOU are rude. right?

And if you are receiving ALL THESE THANK YOU'S "privately" this must mean you are "privately" helping them thru their crisis (i receive those very same thank you's).....THEN MIGHT I SUGGEST.......making some of those helpful "private" posts....PUBLIC......

rather than making the majority of the PUBLIC one's smart assed.

That's all.

If this thread isn't evidence alone that you have offended someone....then what the hell?

I can DEFINATELY TELL YOU that i have NEVER SPOKEN to someone in a manner that would offend them and make them want to LEAVE THIS FORUM.

Just a heads up is all.

[markus]

Sorry but i cant see where ive offended anyone on this thread ..

Chill :cool:

[confused]

Listen...i went back to re-read...and it seems that SUCKER was the one who offended........

now....when i did lump your name in with being "rude"...well...you are sometimes and i will stand by that.

Then...what happened..is you were the only one with BALLS ENOUGH apparently.....to "confront" me (sucker probably hasn't been online yet)....and now its become a bash between you and i.

Let me say this:

Yes...sometimes you are rude.
No...you have done nothing on THIS thread to offend.

Do i hate you? have a personal vendetta against you? Nah..i think i was one of the FIRST PEOPLE to acknowledge that you were funny...and you cracked my ass up.

Anyhow.....no hard feelings. Take it for what it is.

I just have seen a LOT OF BULL****TING as of late.....and threads getting off topic...and then i see someone want to leave the forum.

So....my point?

Who the hell knows...but now it is US taking the thread off point.

*done on topic*

[elainegayla]

I know I probably have offended people on this site. I try to do what they ask us to do on COSA website...refrain from advice and share my feelings and stories and maybe someone can learn from my story...good things and bad.

Sometimes it seems people are begging for advice and I remember when all was very fresh for me and I was frustrated b/c on another site no one would give advice...other than follow your heart etc. Well, my heart was in pieces/shreds, my mind was a mess and I needed help seperating the BS from the truth.

I hope she comes back b/c I have been getting a lot from talking privately to her and I thought I was maybe helping.

[SuckerFree]

Confused. I read your post all the time and still can't tell if you are a Man or a Woman. That's pretty bad.

[SuckerFree]

I stand by my post. As soon as a Woman has total control over you and you are the exact way they want you. They split. That's what I was trying to say. No, she isn't the bad guy here, he is.

[SuckerFree]

And it's Suckerfree, not sucker he-she.

[elainegayla]

There is a show on MTV called "Suckerfree". Is that where you got your name?
Just wondering.

[SuckerFree]

No, I have been saying Suckerfree for years. (MTV doesn't get watched in this pad). It mainly comes from me watching all my friends ruined by the rat-race. Getting divorced, mountain of debt, buying things you don't need to impress people you don't like. Getting trapped into an expensive home, car..etc...basically, not being a sucker. I used to get bothered when people would give me a hard time about my lifestyle. I realize now they are hating. I have about 8 uncashed paychecks in my drawer and drive a 10 year old car. People hate it. They want you to be living check to check and miserable like them. But I live Suckerfree. Thanks for your question.

[elainegayla]

good for you. I'm quite tight with my money, too.

Its part hereditary...my dad is/was very tight and retired at 50 very comfortably living off his investments, traveling, golfing...and part being a banker at heart.

FYI: People that you think have money usually don't have squat. The people that you wouldn't think have a dime usually will blow you away with their net worth.

Well, I could go on forever since this is my second favorite topic...but ironically its like talking to cheaters...very rarely can you convert!

[markus]

I have about 8 uncashed paychecks in my drawer and drive a 10 year old car

i bet you peel an orange in your pocket :D

[SuckerFree]

Im by no means tight with money or cheap. Quite the contrary. I just dropped 3k to go to Rio which is coming up. Or I will drop that. I just don't get trapped into crap.

[SuckerFree]

good for you. I'm quite tight with my money, too.

Its part hereditary...my dad is/was very tight and retired at 50 very comfortably living off his investments, traveling, golfing...and part being a banker at heart.

FYI: People that you think have money usually don't have squat. The people that you wouldn't think have a dime usually will blow you away with their net worth.

Well, I could go on forever since this is my second favorite topic...but ironically its like talking to cheaters...very rarely can you convert!

Live beneath your means and you will always have money.